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Post by michaelpaciocco on Jul 14, 2009 5:57:50 GMT -8
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Post by jensaltmann on Jul 19, 2009 6:15:37 GMT -8
How high do you assign the probabilities for the following:
- Hal Jordan beats the Black Lantern ring because he a) used to be dead and b) used to be the Spectre? To c) break the Black Hand's hold over the zombies?
- Once Black Hand's control of the dead is broken, they will turn against him.
- Most of the dead heroes will return to life when all is over.
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Post by paulpogue on Jul 19, 2009 6:35:08 GMT -8
Hal beats Black Lantern ring: Not really sure either way, so I won't assign odds Zombies turn on Black Hand when control is broke: 95 percent. Classic mad scientist/Things Man Was Not Meant To Do ending. Most of the dead heroes will return to life: 10 percent. I'm taking Didio at face value when he claims this will "make death mean something again." Mind you, I don't think it's going to stick any longer than Quesada's declaration that resurrections were over and done with, but it'll probably stick at least the length of this mini  . |
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Post by jessebaker on Jul 20, 2009 11:16:09 GMT -8
To be fair though, the entire basis of "Blackest Night" seems to run counter towards that line of thought from DiDio. ESPECIALLY given the whole scene with the Flash being horrified at the number of heroes to have died since his own death.
An "Everyone Lives" themed ending would make for a better thematic ending, especially in terms of a thematic endcap for this decade at DC as far as the grim and gritty '00 era ending with a massive Doctor Who 9th Doctor-esque "EVERYONE LIVES!" happy ending, as if to bring this dark chapter of DC lore to an end.
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In other news, having read part three of "Utopia" we can also pretty much fully expect another element of this decade, the god-awful "Beast" Beast redesign by Frank Quitely to be FINALLY on it's way out. Matt Fraction's set up Beast turning back to normal (though we don't know if it's ape Beast or human Beast) yet as far as Norman Osborn's Omega Machine reversing the one bit of the Morrison era X-Men that Marvel refused to undo these last couple of years.
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Post by K-Box on Jul 20, 2009 11:37:55 GMT -8
I have mixed feelings about all the reversals of Morrison's stuff, but cat!Beast really does need to fucking go, because even though it was one of the few things that Quitely drew well, he was the only one who could draw it well.
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Post by jarddavis on Jul 21, 2009 14:36:40 GMT -8
I'd like to seem them reverse everything back to 1983, to be honest.
I swear to God, if I ran the Marvel Universe at the moment, I'd have Spider-Man go back to 1982, change the timeline, and start over from there. I'd tell the writers to reread the first three books of the Wild Cards series, and I'd make Warren Ellis my editor in chief.
With one guideline. "Make 'em fun, Warren." And I'd put him on FF for a year and tell him to go nuts with Reed Richards.
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Post by K-Box on Jul 21, 2009 15:49:18 GMT -8
I swear to God, if I ran the Marvel Universe at the moment, I'd have Spider-Man go back to 1982, change the timeline, and start over from there. ... Young Joe Quesada, is that you? |
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Post by paulpogue on Jul 21, 2009 19:35:53 GMT -8
I'd like to seem them reverse everything back to 1983, to be honest. I swear to God, if I ran the Marvel Universe at the moment, I'd have Spider-Man go back to 1982, change the timeline, and start over from there. I'd tell the writers to reread the first three books of the Wild Cards series, and I'd make Warren Ellis my editor in chief. With one guideline. "Make 'em fun, Warren." And I'd put him on FF for a year and tell him to go nuts with Reed Richards. Yeah, but what kind of damage are you asking to do to the timeline by introducing 14-year-old Ellis to Red Bull? |
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Jul 22, 2009 7:57:55 GMT -8
I can honestly say that based on his UFF and Ultimate Galactus saga...no to Warren on FF.
And yes, you can use UFF as a benchmark for how they would handle the 616 version - see Mark Millar.
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Post by paulpogue on Jul 23, 2009 20:16:20 GMT -8
Someone gimme a prediction here:
The last couple of years have seen storylines that rehash, directly lift from, or just plain do-over Marvel crossovers of the late 1980s and early 1990s:
Acts of Vengeance -- Dark Reign (not to mention the original iteration of the Superhuman Registration Act)
Inferno -- Infernus
X-Cutioner's Song -- Messiah War
Infinity Saga -- Annihilation (this one is admittedly a stretch)
Spider-Clone Saga -- Brand New Day (not to mention what appears to be Spider-Clone Saga 2.0, AND Spider-Clone Saga Forever by DeFalco and Frenz)
Am I missing anything? And what's next? Will we see a do-over of Atlantis Attacks? The Evolutionary War? Fall of the Mutants?
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Jul 23, 2009 20:23:35 GMT -8
Atlantis Attacks?
-Kind of already done with Namor's post-CW mini. maybe. If you want to count that.
The Evolutionary War?
-Does House of M count?
Fall of the Mutants?
-I think the current "Utopia" X-over counts in a big way.
Let's see, there's the Phalanx covenant - oops, Annihilation: Conquest. Age of Apoc-yeah, I think we got that one too somewhere there. Hmmm? The Crossing? What was the X-over between Avengers and X-Men that dealt with Genosha? Blood ties? - Actually, given that it dealt primarily with Crystal and a bunch of random Mutants, I think "War of the Kings" could qualify there....
Maximum Carnage? Does "New Ways to die" Qualify?
Seriously, I got nuthin'.
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Post by paulpogue on Jul 23, 2009 20:31:59 GMT -8
Oh! Oh! How could I forget: X-Force rehashing ALL OF THE 1990s, up to and including the Legacy Virus!
On the upside, if everything follows this pattern, in a couple of years things will reach absolute nadir, and then Baron Zemo will assemble a team of fake heroes and it will herald Marvel Comics getting good again, possibly capped off by a four-year Grant Morrison run on X-Men.
And some enterprising writer will cook up "Marvel Universe Forever," which will be like "Avengers Forever" in that it totally undoes the last ten years of continuity and blames it all on That Which Endures or something.
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Post by jessebaker on Jul 24, 2009 6:09:45 GMT -8
Atlantis Attacks was SUPPOSED to have been bastardized over in the Ultimate Marvel Universe books, with Bendis once again NOT doing the research and pretty much redoing the storyline WITHOUT the overall plotline about raising Set that anchored the atlantis vs surface world plotline together. But the whole thing never got off the ground.
Also Marvel TECHNICALLY has redone Fall of the Mutants, at least as far as how the storyline was originally supposed to play out (with Mad Jasper as the villain) with the whole less said the better "New Excalibur/Exiles" X-Over Claremont did a couple of years back.
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Jul 29, 2009 20:15:11 GMT -8
And Jesse's reputation as a Marvel Divining Rod remains remarkably high as it's confirmed that Diggle is assembling the original T-bolts as a resistance to Osborn.
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Post by jessebaker on Jul 29, 2009 21:09:25 GMT -8
Diggle's also leaving the book, so it's more cosmic reset button pushing after Diggle's run basically killed the momentum Ellis had garnered for the book due to Bendis pulling a "MINE! MINE!" moment of crybabyism as far as grabbing half of the cast just because he could.
(I don't blame Diggle THAT much for his shit Thunderbolts run; but it sucked and at laest he's giving his replacement the old Thunderbolts to work with)
Sigh... In retrospect, they should have simply of moved the book over to the Marvel Cosmic line immediately after Civil War ended: have Norman send Songbird, Speedball (wearing Swordsman's costume in a saving throw to transition Speedball out of being Penance) and Radioactive Man into space along with the Fixer and Beetle and have them hook up with Nova and basically fight evil in outer space.
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