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Post by jensaltmann on Apr 21, 2009 23:13:17 GMT -8
I had July in my personal pool (as in Independence Day and all that), but I had expected they'd bring him back to coincide with the movie. So I'm way off regarding the year.
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Post by jessebaker on May 8, 2009 22:25:58 GMT -8
OK; new odds scenerio.
When push comes to shove, when the final all-out showdown occurs to bring Norman Osborn down once and for all, Deadpool of all fucking people is the one who will get the UBER hero moment of bringing Norman Osborn down for all of his crimes and ultimately his death?
Marvel seems to be giving Deadpool a big time push since Danial Way took control over the character and his entire relaunched series has been pretty much exclusively dedicated to the slow-build of Deadpool Vs Green Goblin. So I can truly see him being the one who ends up doing what Luke Cage, Spider-Man, or anyone else can't do; which is bring Norman Osborn down once and for all.
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Post by K-Box on May 8, 2009 22:34:16 GMT -8
OK; new odds scenerio. When push comes to shove, when the final all-out showdown occurs to bring Norman Osborn down once and for all, Deadpool of all fucking people is the one who will get the UBER hero moment of bringing Norman Osborn down for all of his crimes and ultimately his death? Marvel seems to be giving Deadpool a big time push since Danial Way took control over the character and his entire relaunched series has been pretty much exclusively dedicated to the slow-build of Deadpool Vs Green Goblin. So I can truly see him being the one who ends up doing what Luke Cage, Spider-Man, or anyone else can't do; which is bring Norman Osborn down once and for all. ... That's so unbelievably stupid and inappropriate that I could actually see Marvel doing it. |
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Post by jessebaker on May 8, 2009 23:43:22 GMT -8
It's more ironic than stupid, especially when you consider the fact that part of Deadpool's appeal back in the late 1990s was the fact that visually and verbally, he reminded a ton of people of Spider-Man minus the taint of the Clone Saga.
Indeed, part of what has made Deadpool such a popular character was people like Joe Kelly basically deciding to write Deadpool like he was a batshit crazy, sword-wielding Spider-Man type and less as a poor man's rip-off of Deathstroke the Terminator.
So in that regards, it would be ironic as hell if Deadpool is the one who ends up bringing Norman Osborn down as sort of a acknowledgement of sorts, that they have Spidey's grim and gritty but still laughably lovable in the good sort of way, heir apparent be the one who brings down Spidey's number one arch enemy, given how utterly damaged Spidey has become due to One More/Brand New Day.
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Post by paulpogue on May 9, 2009 8:31:36 GMT -8
After Marvel let Bendis take down Osborn decisively and (seemingly) permanently while Spider-Man SAT BY AND WATCHED, there's nothing I wouldn't put past them as far as letting writers run wild with their pet characters.
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Post by jessebaker on May 9, 2009 22:14:42 GMT -8
At least they are building it up as far as Deadpool having legitimate reasoning to bring Osborn down and building up a war between the two men, as opposed to the way Bendis had Luke Cage expose Norman Osborn with ZERO build-up whatsoever.
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Also of note:
Aquaman stays a zombie/Black Lantern after Blackest Night. Trust me on this. Zombie Aquaman is the the sort of lamoid things I can see idiot fanboys creaming their pants over and given that DC has NO fucking clue as to what to do with Aquaman (seriously, their handling of the character in Final Crisis just shows it) and I can see DiDio creaming over a Zombie Aquaman series as a monthly outlet for his super-hero gore fantasies.
Teen Titans get cancelled. The book's basically been run into the ground with shitty editorial interference and even shittier writing. The book gets cancelled, everyone but Blue Beetle dies a horrible, horrible death, and BB joins "The Titans", which becomes the sole Titans title.
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Jun 26, 2009 16:19:52 GMT -8
Ok, some odds making time for the summer crossover season.
"Blackest night" beats the ever-living fuck out of "Iron Patriot Act" in sales and critical acclaim?
60%.
They've got the word-of-mouth, marketing is behind them in a big way, and have been laying the groundwork PROPERLY for 2-4 years depending on how you look at it (whether or not you count "GL: Rebirth" as being part of the build-up) and Marvel is starting late, and not announcing their team just yet. On the other hand, DC has made a business out of snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory.
Iron Patriot Act - the next Marvel crossover will be written by:
Bendis - 80% - at this point it's almost impossible to think that it'll be anyone but him as it's dealing with Norman Osborn, and I don't think any writer has enough pull to do any changes to him without his say-so.
Ellis - 10% Unless its the guy who made "crazy Norman Osborn glorious bastard" en vogue in the first place. Warren always said that one of his last desires in mainstream supercomics was to do one of these sort of crossover events, and he hasn't been TOO busy lately...
Slott - 5% the only other main writer who I could see being given the go-ahead to do this.
Other - 5%
More later,
Michael
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Post by jessebaker on Jun 26, 2009 16:35:47 GMT -8
Blackest Night could still flop. Countless tie-in mini-serieses, a plotline that involves resurrecting beloved characters as zombies to use as punching bags (including potentially overturning the saving throw that was Geoff Johns undoing Ted Kord's death), and the fact that wee still don't know how they are going to top the Sinestro Corp War "Holy Shit!" moment that was the return of the fucking Anti-Monitor. The Return of the Anti-Monitor was the big moment, in the end of the first issue of the X-Over, that basically hooked just about everyone who praised the SCW X-Over and it's going to be hard to see how Geoff Johns can top that moment this time around.
As for Marvel, they've since renamed the "Iron Patriot Act" thing as "Dark Reign: The List" and stated that they are basically doing eight one-shots each focusing on a particular major character on Norman Osborn's shit list and even then, it's not going to be the end of "Dark Reign" by all accounts.
If anything, Marvel's aping the whole Funeral of Captain America mini-series with this year's big "Event" and even then, with no end to Dark Reign in sight, it will probably not reach "big event" status as far as Marvel not playing it up.
In a way, Marvel's betting everything instead on "Utopia", the Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men X-Over and "War of the King" as their big events of 2009, with them conceding the second half of the year to DC and Blackest Night for all intents and purposes.
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Jul 1, 2009 19:55:08 GMT -8
War of the Kings speculation:
OK, a major "pair" of players will die at the end of this crossover, and in my mind, here are the logical choices:
Black Bolt AND Deathbird - 60%. Black Bolt's death is in keeping with Modern Marvel's pattern of killing/breaking a classic character in order to build up the reputation of a writer's pet character that no one really likes (Vulcan). However, someone close to him has to buy it in order to get him to restrain himself after killing Black Bolt, so I figure it's likely to be Deathbird, because without her, his claim to the throne becomes a lot shakier, and he'd be back to a civil war. In the alternative
Vulcan and Crystal - Because Crystal is in the rather traditional space-opera role of "the young princess who sees everything clearly and is trying to talk her seniors from a path of madness, and whose death will snap the others to their senses" and because her death would destabalize the Kree/Inhuman alliance and damage Kree morale, and because Vulcan is twerp who no one actually likes, this is actually my pick, if for no other reason than the DnA team has done pretty well at defying NuMarvel convention.
Other results - 10%
Related:
The "Adam Warlock" currently with the Guardians of the Galaxy is The Magus - 75% and rising and just for the purposes of speculation, I'll throw in a quick death/ressurrection pool for that book:
Starlord - 10% - he's the POV character, and clearly the writers' favorite to dialogue - on the other hand, it's usually that guy you should watch out for - nevermind that he has a group of potential understudies for leadership (Rocket Raccoon, the recently uncrippled Jack Flagg, and Major Victory) put him up for grabs here.
Moondragon - 2%. She just came back, so it's unlikely
Phylla-Vell/Martyr - 5% in the short term, because I think in the long term she's going to go bad in a big big way - but up it to 40% for the long term
Mantis - 50% - because the first person you have to kill in a given situation is the damn precog.
Cosmo - 2% - I doubt anyone wants to kill a telepathic russian space dog, do they?
Rocket Racoon - 1%. Another favorite. Pretty safe
Jack Flagg - 40%. Granted they just brough him here as a foil for Starlord, but...yeah, I don't see much of an arc for him, except as a POV.
Groot - 20% - They've always got a few easy outs to bring him back, even if he does have a death or three
Bug - 20% - On one hand, they just re-introed him, on the other hand, I get the distinct impression they don't have much to do with him.
Major Vance Astro/Victory - 50% - to the extent that his timeline is going to get all kinds of shook up, he's another character I don't see sticking around much longer, unless he's given some kind of final status
Drax the Destroyer - 75% -he's my second biggest pick as he has nothing to really do except search for that little girl, which we've had no development on.
Gamorra - 90% - my bet is that she'll be the first to die when "Warlock" reveals himself as "The Magus"
The "Ressurrection pool"
Thanos - 60% - I'm giving this high odds, because no matter who the next big bad will be - the Magus or an Oblivion-powered Phylla-Vell, Thanos would be handy to have around. And it's not like getting Thanos back would be a particularly huge trick.
Quasar (Wendell Vaughn) - 90% - he's already most of the way there already - he just needs to grow himself a new body, so it's not like that will take much time.
Genis-Vell: 3% - This only happens if, and I mean IF, Phylla goes bad and the writers feel like being a tad ironic in doing a reversal of PAD's original Phylla arc. Not too likely, but hey, I always like Genis, so I'll keep rooting for the poor tragic bastard.
Totally Unrelated:
Pym's Pymcore Lab is now anchored in the limbo dimension where he believes Jan is trapped - 90% - I mean, it's not like Slott's even trying with this one - where the hell else would he anchor his main lab that would actually give Reed a reason to bother?
Over at DC:
White Lantern Hal Jordan - 99%
White Lantern Sinestro - 20% - it's still a possibility
Tim Drake actually finds Bruce Wayne - 20%. No, it's unlikely to happen unless Morrison says so, sorry.
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Post by paulpogue on Jul 2, 2009 8:59:34 GMT -8
If Warlock isn't the Magus, he certainly has the Magus IN him; the most recent issue made that perfectly clear. Given that the Magus is one of the few sons-of-bitches that scares the crap out of major cosmic powers even more than Thanos ever did, he's an excellent choice for the next major crossover. I agree that Thanos is a solid lock for resurrection; he and the Magus were intentionally ideological opposites. Which, to me, was always one of Starlin's intriguing angles; on the alignment axis, he stripped away good and evil and, in their case, order and chaos, and left them as pure avatars of Life and Death. The Magus was evil to the core, but a being of "drive, ambition, purpose -- LIFE itself," as he once put it. Adam Warlock may have been Thanos' biggest foe,but he was also morose, prone to suicidal thoughts, and frequently fell to his knees crying in the middle of fight scenes. An avatar of life, he was not. The Magus was never hamstrung by "morality" or "doubt"  . Phyla-Vell as Oblivion avatar is a solid lock for a big villain, but I'm going to predict her as either chief henchperson (sort of the Phalanx to Magus' Ultron), or, more likely, enemy-of-my-enemy, since Oblivion is so detached from Magus. Hell, I can see a three-sided war between Magus and his church, the Guardians and company, and a Thanos/Phyla-Vell Death Force blazing across the cosmos. Which would be AWESOME. |
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Post by paulpogue on Jul 2, 2009 9:01:33 GMT -8
By the way, official date and time of Cap's return, for those in the nonexistent pool? 12 noon, July 1, 2009.
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Post by paulpogue on Jul 2, 2009 9:07:55 GMT -8
Odds that Avengers Forever becomes a relevant storyline again, a decade later: 10 percent and slowly rising
I don't know; I just have this feeling in the back of my head that Songbird and Captain Marvel aren't through yet, and that we'll see them in the Avengers eventually. Not sure why; just a hunch, probably connected to the recent high profile of, er, Marvel's Marvel Family (Carol, Noh-Varr, Phyla, Skrull-vell, Hulkling), and Songbird getting back on the hero train again.
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Post by paulpogue on Jul 2, 2009 13:46:23 GMT -8
Sharon Carter's child is actually Steve Rogers, hence the "Reborn" of the title, who will be artificially aged to his old self: 20 percent
Stranger things have happened. Including Marvel inexplicably deciding to crib "Slaughterhouse-5" for Cap's return.
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Jul 2, 2009 15:27:06 GMT -8
eh, I don't think they'd want to turn Steven Rogers into Phillip J. Fry from Futurama, so I don't think it'll be that.
Granted, I have no idea what it will be. And as for Brubaker's decision to crib "Slaughterhouse-5" - look, Bru's been cribbing "Jason Bourne" for the entire Bucky/Winter Soldier arc, so it's an improvement....I suppose?
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Post by paulpogue on Jul 2, 2009 16:01:56 GMT -8
Well, there's cribbing, and then there's actually using the word "unstuck in time."
It's sort of the difference between making a movie about a killer robot, or making a movie about a time-traveling killer robot and also using the phrase "I'll be back."
But yeah, if you're gonna rip someone off, you could do worse than Indianapolis' favorite son.
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