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Post by jasonlatta on Sept 29, 2008 17:38:45 GMT -8
Well, she'll probably be slightly better prepared for the debate, and she's apparently been called back for reprogramming intense pre-debate training to help her say thing in her own words instead of just mindlessly repeating (inappropriate) talking points. Rumor today, though, is that CBS has a couple more stinkers from her, that were from a series of questions that were asked of both her and Biden. They are helpfully holding them until Friday at this point.  Word has it that one of those stinkers is that she was asked to name a Supreme Court decision besides Roe v. Wade -- AND COULDN'T. BEST ELECTION EVER. Oh, Lord. If that's true...even a guy like me can name at least four others off the top of my head, and only one of those is the Larry Flint decision. Shouldn't you at least be required to SKIM a US almanac before you become a Governor? |
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Post by paulpogue on Sept 29, 2008 18:40:15 GMT -8
It stunned the hell out of me as well. Palin, for all her gaffetastic moments, does not come off like a complete moron most of the time -- just utterly unprepared, the ultimate logical end result of "Anyone can be president, and it looks like this time anyone WILL."
But my god, we're now reaching levels that would get someone a F in PoliSci 101. Seriously, you made it to GOVERNOR and can't name Plessy v. Ferguson? Brown v. Board of Education? Dred Scott? Marbury v. Madison? Hell, you're a Republican, don't you open your dark unholy ceremonies by reading from an ornate copy of BUSH VERSUS GORE?
(Seriously, the average American might not ID Marbury v. Madison, but you shouldn't be allowed to reach the level of CITY COUNCILPERSON without a working knowledge of it. What in GOD'S NAME is wrong with Alaska?)
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Post by Anders on Sept 29, 2008 22:01:06 GMT -8
Looking at the opinion pieces out there, there are a lot of calls for the McCain campaign to "let Palin be Palin".
We can only hope they do let the book-burning, creationist, going-on-a-plane-in-labor, abstention-teaching-with-pregnant-daughter, bridge-loving, petty ignorama be herself.
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Post by K-Box on Sept 29, 2008 22:53:17 GMT -8
Pogue is telling the truth. In 2010: The Year We Make Contact, Dave Bowman's last words, as he stares into The Monolith, are retroactively attributed as, "My God, it's full of stars ..." Right now, I honestly believe that I know exactly how he felt, because if you substitute me for Dave Bowman, and Sarah Palin's near-incalculable level of jaw-dropping fucktardedness for the brain-breaking incomprehensibility of The Monolith, THIS is how I feel right now, staring into the harrowing face of Sarah Palin's abyssal stupidity:
Latest Palin Gaffe: Can't Name Supreme Court Case Other Than Roe V. WadeToday, the Washington Post's Howard Kurtz reported on potentially embarrassing clips of Sarah Palin being interviewed by Katie Couric that haven't yet been aired. The Politico has more information on one in particular: __________ Of concern to McCain's campaign, however, is a remaining and still-undisclosed clip from Palin's interview with Couric last week that has the political world buzzing. The Palin aide, after first noting how "infuriating" it was for CBS to purportedly leak word about the gaffe, revealed that it came in response to a question about Supreme Court decisions. After noting Roe vs. Wade, Palin was apparently unable to discuss any major court cases.There was no verbal fumbling with this particular question as there was with some others, the aide said, but rather silence.
Leaving aside Plessy v. Ferguson and Brown v. Board of Education, which I can name as a result of HAVING PASSED FUCKING HIGH SCHOOL, I'm stunned that ANY Republican could be ignorant of Bush v. Gore, since they LITERALLY owe the past eight years of neo-con control of the White House to it, and while I'm at it, I'm even MORE blown away that Palin could have forgotten Exxon Shipping Co. v. Baker, since a) it was decided three months ago, b) it involved Alaska and c) SHE FUCKING COMMENTED ON IT WHEN IT HAPPENED. At this point, I can seriously say that I would genuinely prefer a third term of George W. Bush, with Dan Quayle as his vice president, to having Sarah Palin a 72-year-old heartbeat away from the Oval Office, because I'm starting to suspect that Sarah Palin might well be the stupidest carbon-based life form ever to have drawn breath on planet Earth. The mere fact that she EXISTS makes ME feel measurably dumber. |
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Post by K-Box on Sept 29, 2008 22:54:50 GMT -8
Looking at the opinion pieces out there, there are a lot of calls for the McCain campaign to "let Palin be Palin". We can only hope they do let the book-burning, creationist, going-on-a-plane-in-labor, abstention-teaching-with-pregnant-daughter, bridge-loving, petty ignorama be herself. On the one hand, this could deep-six the McCain campaign once and for all. On the other, the "average American" could decide that they love Palin more than ever before. |
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Post by Anders on Sept 30, 2008 3:57:29 GMT -8
Looking at the opinion pieces out there, there are a lot of calls for the McCain campaign to "let Palin be Palin". We can only hope they do let the book-burning, creationist, going-on-a-plane-in-labor, abstention-teaching-with-pregnant-daughter, bridge-loving, petty ignorama be herself. On the one hand, this could deep-six the McCain campaign once and for all. On the other, the "average American" could decide that they love Palin more than ever before. Honestly, I don't think the average voters are the problem. It's the sub-average ones you have to look out for. |
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Post by jensaltmann on Sept 30, 2008 7:20:09 GMT -8
Hell, you're a Republican, don't you open your dark unholy ceremonies by reading from an ornate copy of BUSH VERSUS GORE? Giving the benefit of the doubt here: maybe she was going to add Bush vs. Gore, but then thought, "Wait, maybe it's not such a good idea to remind people just how Emperor George II got into office in the first place." |
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Post by Anders on Sept 30, 2008 12:10:45 GMT -8
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Post by paulpogue on Sept 30, 2008 13:48:33 GMT -8
Hell, you're a Republican, don't you open your dark unholy ceremonies by reading from an ornate copy of BUSH VERSUS GORE? Giving the benefit of the doubt here: maybe she was going to add Bush vs. Gore, but then thought, "Wait, maybe it's not such a good idea to remind people just how Emperor George II got into office in the first place." That may be giving Palin waaaaaayyy too much credit for electoral savvy. |
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Post by jarddavis on Oct 1, 2008 15:33:02 GMT -8
At this point, I can seriously say that I would genuinely prefer a third term of George W. Bush, with Dan Quayle as his vice president, to having Sarah Palin a 72-year-old heartbeat away from the Oval Office, because I'm starting to suspect that Sarah Palin might well be the stupidest carbon-based life form ever to have drawn breath on planet Earth. The mere fact that she EXISTS makes ME feel measurably dumber. Nope. Thursday night, the world will see Sarah Palin for what she really is. And although Republicans will be saying she did will the next day all over Fox news, privately, they're all going to be banging their heads against a wall in a dark room. Bear in mind that Sarah Palin is an accomplished speaker. She has a degree in broadcast journalism, and has been taught how to publically orate, as well as debate. She will not look as bad as we're all gleefully hoping for. What will happen however, is that what she does say, will appeal quite strongly to the people who like her anyway, regardless of how many gaffes she makes during the debate or any public interview with Katie Couric. And they don't care about any of the cases you cited, with the exception of Roe V Wade. Bear in mind that Biden also has a reputation of talking too much. Okay, that said, she's going to drive away the swing voters in droves. This is where the rubber meets the road. No other election in the previous 50 years has depended so much on who is the vice-president. Obama, for obvious reasons, is going to be spending the next four to eight years of his life with a big target on his forehead. And McCain is 72 with two cases of Melanoma in his past and the obvious desire to blow his top the first chance he gets, which makes one wonder how close he is to a heart attack. This is turning into one of the most interesting elections in 50 years. Obama is slowly, very slowly mind you, pulling ahead, garnering a lead in states like Colorado and Florida. And the more the financial collapse gets touched on, the better it is for him. And people are watching McCain blame Obama for the failure of the bailout, which was quite possibly, one of the worst things McCain could have come up with if he wants to win, because the majority of the people out there right now feel like the bailout maybe the biggest PT Barnum scam since, well, PT Barnum. But you have to understand that most people don't care about the major supreme court decisons. the knowledge of the facts, while impressive, is mostly irrelevant in their minds. Especially not people in Alaska. Right now, they're more interested in who they think is going to bring down their gas prices, and lower their taxes. Who is going to end the war, or (from their point of view) win it. Who is going to end the forclosure spiral. And people in largely rural areas are going to like Sarah Palin because they identify with her more than they do Obama. |
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Post by jbhelfrich on Oct 2, 2008 10:50:36 GMT -8
That may be giving Palin waaaaaayyy too much credit for electoral savvy. So it turns out, the actual question was "Can you name another one you disagree with" which isn't quite as bad. Saying "Brown V BoE" there would have been a death sentence, after all. (Quite possibly literally. I'm half expecting a Vita moment in this campaign as it is.) A lot of what she might have named would have cemented her credentials as a neo-dominionist and pissed off as many people as it made happy. Of course, she should have mentioned the property rights decision where even I found myself agreeing with Scalia. I can't remember the name of the decision, but one would hope she'd at least heard of the basis. That said, the half blank half petrified look on her face didn't do her any favors. |
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Post by K-Box on Oct 2, 2008 13:50:06 GMT -8
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Post by K-Box on Oct 2, 2008 15:04:37 GMT -8
Countdown to VP debate: BREAKING NEWS UPDATE HER HAIR IS DOWN  SHE'S WEARING A WIRE I'M CALLING IT RIGHT NOW |
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Post by K-Box on Oct 2, 2008 20:25:56 GMT -8
So, how did they do? My first-impulse reactions to tonight's debate: Sarah Palin didn't hurt John McCain tonight, which is, I think, the good news for his side - there's nothing that's really going to stand out as an OMG GOTCHA moment that hurts either side - but I'd argue her performance was a wash. At times, she made gains on the CNN viewer-meter based on her folksy small-town mom-ness, but she also lost ratings on that scale based, apparently, on how stiff and rehearsed she seemed. Joe Biden needed a touch more "Average Joe," since his policy wonk moments tended to put the audience to sleep on the meters, but when he did show emotion, it was to his benefit. I mean, Joe choking up over his family? Holy shit. I predict that clip will go viral online instantly. So, Sarah didn't do anywhere near as bad as we liberals would have hoped, even though she didn't actually answer a lot of the questions, but ultimately, both sides will probably be able to claim, credibly, that they "won" this debate. And asking him, "Can I call you Joe?" As much as I dislike her, that was a genuinely likable and classy move on her part. She was friendly but respectful. Her boss should take notes from her on that shit. And yes, my call about her hair was premature. |
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Post by Anders on Oct 2, 2008 21:50:20 GMT -8
I was hoping to wake up to disbelieving gasps and hooting laughter over her craziness and verbal fumbling so I'm a bit disappointed.
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