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Post by Mario Di Giacomo on Dec 4, 2009 3:26:16 GMT -8
Something like this?
Lady Jessica (Voice): Take off your clothes.
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Dec 4, 2009 6:16:40 GMT -8
Mal vs. Cricton - if the fight is at any distance, Mal is the superior gunfighter, but at hand to hand, they both suck, so it would be pretty even, although Mal would probably get the upperhand just in time for Aeryn to save his butt. Aeryn vs. Zoe - By far the most even fight, but I have to give it to the Peacekeeper in the clinch. D'Argo vs. Jayne - the funniest fight, but D'Argo's by a longshot. Obligatory nerd comment: And then River kills everyone. *sigh* God I hate Super-River. Easily the worst thing about that show. And there's a lot I don't care for in that show. |
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Dec 4, 2009 6:19:56 GMT -8
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Fremen Fedaykin versus Colonial Warriors. METAL. Problem being that, in the universe of DUNE, part of the reason why every single character has husked voiceover monologues is because their mental, physical and social evolutions have all advanced so far beyond ours that they literally think in layers within layers within layers ("a feint within a feint ...") to degrees that would make the complexity of Machiavelli seem like the earnest simplicity of Corky from Life Goes On by comparison. The BSG cast would stand a better chance against the humans of DUNE than just about any other cast of characters in sci-fi that I can think of, but you're still left with the fact that humans in DUNE were so goddamn advanced that they literally had a SURPLUS of potential messiahs, since damn near the entire human race had evolved into God Mode Mary Sues. With that in mind, as soon as Baron Harkonnen or the Padishah Emperor met Brother Cavil and his crew of Cylons, their initial instinctive panic over thinking machines would immediately give way to the realization that, "Holy shit, you people SAY you have a plan, but you've just been BLUFFING this whole time, because you clearly have no idea WHAT the fuck you're doing. You're barely on the level of retarded face-dancers." That being said? I'd love to watch the scene between Lady Jessica and Laura Roslin go down. Yeah, I've long held that the Cylons were following the Moses' definition of "A Plan from God" - "Waiting for a sign from above, then a random interpretation thereof." And while the humans of Dune are incredibly complex, there's William Freaking Adama, who while not a great thinker, will consider concepts so horrifically suicidal as to make even the Fedaykin balk at the sheer ballsiness of the move. |
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Post by jessebaker on Dec 4, 2009 19:08:12 GMT -8
Idea for a Star Wars (cirac the gap between ANH and ESB) abd Star Trek (STNG/DS9) showdown.
Q teleports Deep Space 9 and the Enterprise (which is docking at the station) into Empire Territory. They meet the Empire, with Palpatine and Admiral Thrawn (selected to be part of the welcoming committee because Palpatine thinks that a non-humanoid will make the station trust him) trying to convince the station to help the Empire, since Palpatine is getting force-visions telling him that if the Empire destroys the station, Q will wipe out the entire Empire in a fit of rage.
Q meanwhile tells Picard and Sisco that he's putting the Empire on trial ala the Federation and that it's up to them to be his eyes and ears to see if the Empire deserves to live. We get much back and forth with Picard and Palpatine doing the diplomat thing as each tries to figure out the other's game, with Palpatine trying to convince Picard that the Empire is good and Picard pointing out the hypocrisy in Palpatine's rule. Thrawn meanwhile begins a romance with Troi, who knows that the Emperor is evil via her own empath powers. The issue of the Jedis come up with Palpatine having a private encounter with Troi only to discover, that to his shock and horror, that Troi's people comes from a race where Dark and Light Side Force is considered to be old wives tales, as far as Troi's people effectively being Force Neutral.
Meanwhile Sisco and Kira are contacted by the rebels and learn about the plights of those who oppose Palpatine. This puts Sisco and Picard at odds, since Picard doesn't want a confrontation with Palpatine until he can have Data and Odo bring him back intel from Thrawn's ship about what the Empire's ships can do as far as weaknesses go.
Ultimately Sisco is convinced to give Leia/Han Solo/Luke Skywalker safe haven on DS9 when they show up in the area of DS9, leading to the Palpatine launching an attack on the station. At this point, Vader shows up and we get him leading a charge inside the station, at which point there is mass carnage and Thrawn, thanks to Odo ranting at him for supporting a corrupt Empire, ends up switching sides to help the Federation.
However, when Vader ends up killing Picard, Q shows up and kills Vader and pretty much the entire Empire with his Godlike power.
Sisco and Data (among the survivors) confront Q, who is all "I can resurrect Picard" as far as dismissing their concerns about the carnage. Sisco goes one further, demanding Q negate the slaughter of the Empire as well as bringing back the crew and civilians on DS9 that died, as Sisco is horrified at casual way Q committed outright genoicde. Q, stung by Sisco's words and and announcing that Picard would have given him the same rant if he was alive and Sisco was dead, restores everything to normal with only the DS9/Enterprise crew remembering anything about their encounter with the Empire.
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Post by paulpogue on Dec 4, 2009 20:38:28 GMT -8
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Fremen Fedaykin versus Colonial Warriors. METAL. Problem being that, in the universe of DUNE, part of the reason why every single character has husked voiceover monologues is because their mental, physical and social evolutions have all advanced so far beyond ours that they literally think in layers within layers within layers ("a feint within a feint ...") to degrees that would make the complexity of Machiavelli seem like the earnest simplicity of Corky from Life Goes On by comparison. The BSG cast would stand a better chance against the humans of DUNE than just about any other cast of characters in sci-fi that I can think of, but you're still left with the fact that humans in DUNE were so goddamn advanced that they literally had a SURPLUS of potential messiahs, since damn near the entire human race had evolved into God Mode Mary Sues. With that in mind, as soon as Baron Harkonnen or the Padishah Emperor met Brother Cavil and his crew of Cylons, their initial instinctive panic over thinking machines would immediately give way to the realization that, "Holy shit, you people SAY you have a plan, but you've just been BLUFFING this whole time, because you clearly have no idea WHAT the fuck you're doing. You're barely on the level of retarded face-dancers." That being said? I'd love to watch the scene between Lady Jessica and Laura Roslin go down. Yeah, I've long held that the Cylons were following the Moses' definition of "A Plan from God" - "Waiting for a sign from above, then a random interpretation thereof." And while the humans of Dune are incredibly complex, there's William Freaking Adama, who while not a great thinker, will consider concepts so horrifically suicidal as to make even the Fedaykin balk at the sheer ballsiness of the move. Even Emperor Leto would have a hard time coming up with ways to outplay the guy who once threatened to put Callie Tyrol up against a wall and shoot her just to keep the assembly lines running, and we all know he totally would have gone through with it. And that's before you get into tactics. Someone who'll consider anything from the Atmospheric Jump to "Giant-ass battle station brimming with guns? Frak it, just jump in there and start shooting" is, quite frankly, someone I wouldn't bet against even if all he had was a six-shooter against a Death Star. |
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Post by jbhelfrich on Dec 4, 2009 21:15:24 GMT -8
"All hands, brace for turbulence."
After which, my internal monologue went "Wait, what did he just say? He wouldn't. Naaaaaaahhhh oh my fracking gods."
Quite possibly the best done space combat scene in film or movies to date.
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Post by K-Box on Dec 5, 2009 2:10:42 GMT -8
... Reading all this, it just occurred to me:
Bill Adama is who John McCain thought he could be, because both of them basically relied on the same strategy - "When all else fails, go unpredictably fucknuts."
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Post by K-Box on Dec 5, 2009 2:11:50 GMT -8
Something like this? Lady Jessica (Voice): Take off your clothes. Thank you for that. I, for one, welcome the Francesca Annis/Mary McDonnell sandwich. |
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Post by K-Box on Dec 5, 2009 2:13:27 GMT -8
"All hands, brace for turbulence." After which, my internal monologue went "Wait, what did he just say? He wouldn't. Naaaaaaahhhh oh my fracking gods." Quite possibly the best done space combat scene in film or movies to date. Unlike most space-based sci-fi fighters, Bill Adama remembered that outer space is not the Navy, and fought in THREE dimensions. |
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Post by K-Box on Dec 5, 2009 2:14:46 GMT -8
Idea for a Star Wars (cirac the gap between ANH and ESB) abd Star Trek (STNG/DS9) showdown. Q teleports Deep Space 9 and the Enterprise (which is docking at the station) into Empire Territory. They meet the Empire, with Palpatine and Admiral Thrawn (selected to be part of the welcoming committee because Palpatine thinks that a non-humanoid will make the station trust him) trying to convince the station to help the Empire, since Palpatine is getting force-visions telling him that if the Empire destroys the station, Q will wipe out the entire Empire in a fit of rage. Q meanwhile tells Picard and Sisco that he's putting the Empire on trial ala the Federation and that it's up to them to be his eyes and ears to see if the Empire deserves to live. We get much back and forth with Picard and Palpatine doing the diplomat thing as each tries to figure out the other's game, with Palpatine trying to convince Picard that the Empire is good and Picard pointing out the hypocrisy in Palpatine's rule. Thrawn meanwhile begins a romance with Troi, who knows that the Emperor is evil via her own empath powers. The issue of the Jedis come up with Palpatine having a private encounter with Troi only to discover, that to his shock and horror, that Troi's people comes from a race where Dark and Light Side Force is considered to be old wives tales, as far as Troi's people effectively being Force Neutral. Meanwhile Sisco and Kira are contacted by the rebels and learn about the plights of those who oppose Palpatine. This puts Sisco and Picard at odds, since Picard doesn't want a confrontation with Palpatine until he can have Data and Odo bring him back intel from Thrawn's ship about what the Empire's ships can do as far as weaknesses go. Ultimately Sisco is convinced to give Leia/Han Solo/Luke Skywalker safe haven on DS9 when they show up in the area of DS9, leading to the Palpatine launching an attack on the station. At this point, Vader shows up and we get him leading a charge inside the station, at which point there is mass carnage and Thrawn, thanks to Odo ranting at him for supporting a corrupt Empire, ends up switching sides to help the Federation. However, when Vader ends up killing Picard, Q shows up and kills Vader and pretty much the entire Empire with his Godlike power. Sisco and Data (among the survivors) confront Q, who is all "I can resurrect Picard" as far as dismissing their concerns about the carnage. Sisco goes one further, demanding Q negate the slaughter of the Empire as well as bringing back the crew and civilians on DS9 that died, as Sisco is horrified at casual way Q committed outright genoicde. Q, stung by Sisco's words and and announcing that Picard would have given him the same rant if he was alive and Sisco was dead, restores everything to normal with only the DS9/Enterprise crew remembering anything about their encounter with the Empire. I love that this basically makes Picard/Q even more canon than it already is. |
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Post by Mario Di Giacomo on Dec 5, 2009 6:52:06 GMT -8
Something like this? Lady Jessica (Voice): Take off your clothes. Thank you for that. I, for one, welcome the Francesca Annis/Mary McDonnell sandwich. It always helps to know your audience ;D |
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Post by paulpogue on Dec 5, 2009 8:08:57 GMT -8
"All hands, brace for turbulence." After which, my internal monologue went "Wait, what did he just say? He wouldn't. Naaaaaaahhhh oh my fracking gods." Quite possibly the best done space combat scene in film or movies to date. That one's not just Best Nerdglee of the 00's; it's a solid contender for Greatest Nerdglee Moment of the 21st Century. |
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Post by paulpogue on Dec 5, 2009 8:12:12 GMT -8
"All hands, brace for turbulence." After which, my internal monologue went "Wait, what did he just say? He wouldn't. Naaaaaaahhhh oh my fracking gods." Quite possibly the best done space combat scene in film or movies to date. Unlike most space-based sci-fi fighters, Bill Adama remembered that outer space is not the Navy, and fought in THREE dimensions. To be honest, I've never fully understood why sci-fi TV and filmmakers don't make use of that more often. Particularly given one of the most memorable space battles of all time (in Trek II) not only made full use of it, but made a huge climactic moment of the leads figuring out that very point. |
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Post by Mario Di Giacomo on Dec 5, 2009 14:31:09 GMT -8
Oh, that's easy. Because choreographing a faux-naval battle is much easier than coping with real 3D. It's the same reason why there always seems to be a fixed "down" in space.
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Post by jarddavis on Dec 7, 2009 12:44:15 GMT -8
They have.
Babylon 5, DS9 were famous for huge fleet battles on 3 dimensional plane. All Good Things, the Next Gen last episode shows super-enterprise attacking the Klingons from underneath.
And even then, Star Trek, with the best designed concept for battles on a 3-D plane, (360 degree phaser arcs, and phaser banks that existed but were never fired in the show) never really could get very far past the 2-D mindset.
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