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Post by K-Box on Dec 17, 2008 3:55:16 GMT -8
Link, please. I could use something to cheer me up. I would, except that I can only stand to visit the Bendis boards once every month or so, because it takes me at least that long to feel clean again. |
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Post by K-Box on Dec 17, 2008 5:28:21 GMT -8
... And I've edited the sales estimates, along with the corresponding issue-to-issue and month-to-month percentages, on my sales chart post for this month, to include the reorders that have charted on ICv2's Top 300 as of November. I got tired of seeing people bitch about it, in response to Somebody's sales chart post on the Spider-Man Message Board, so fuck those guys, because they now have nothing left to complain about. |
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Post by K-Box on Dec 17, 2008 5:50:55 GMT -8
Also, just so it's on the record, Amazing Spider-Man #579 and #581 are variant cover issues, just like #577. If #579 and #581 don't at least equal #577's sales of 76K, then everyone who holds those issues' sales up as "proof" that NuSpidey's sales are "increasing" or "leveling off" is officially a stupid whore.
Also, Roger Stern makes his return to Amazing Spider-Man with #580, so we'll see how that affects sales, since each writer to contribute to the NuSpidey era has usually received a first-issue sales bump.
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Post by jensaltmann on Dec 17, 2008 9:08:03 GMT -8
Link, please. I could use something to cheer me up. I would, except that I can only stand to visit the Bendis boards once every month or so, because it takes me at least that long to feel clean again. At least tell us the thread title, so that we don't have to wade through that morass in order to find the gem. |
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Post by jbhelfrich on Dec 17, 2008 9:31:24 GMT -8
So, it turns out that you and I were both wrong, because the average individual comic is actually selling better, in spite of a bad economy. Surprising results, yes. But I'd wait for sustained growth before assuming that titles are selling better. It might be a slight bump from more people being out for Christmas shopping, or people whould have bought one of the AWOL books buying something else. Not that those aren't good signs for the industry at large, but one month does not make a trend. Yes, I do find the dark cloud to every silver lining. I work in software QA.  |
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Post by K-Box on Dec 17, 2008 9:42:26 GMT -8
I would, except that I can only stand to visit the Bendis boards once every month or so, because it takes me at least that long to feel clean again. At least tell us the thread title, so that we don't have to wade through that morass in order to find the gem. Dude, it's the Bendis board. All discussion on a single topic gets its own thread. Thus, every single post about Spider-Man, whether Amazing, Ultimate or Marvel Adventures, is relegated to a single thread, which means that the Spider-Man thread is, at last count, at least 500 pages long (no, I'm not kidding). The threads on Civil War and Secret Invasion are exactly the same. |
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Post by K-Box on Dec 17, 2008 9:45:20 GMT -8
So, it turns out that you and I were both wrong, because the average individual comic is actually selling better, in spite of a bad economy. Surprising results, yes. But I'd wait for sustained growth before assuming that titles are selling better. It might be a slight bump from more people being out for Christmas shopping, or people whould have bought one of the AWOL books buying something else. Not that those aren't good signs for the industry at large, but one month does not make a trend. Yes, I do find the dark cloud to every silver lining. I work in software QA. You're missing the point; the industry might be heading toward sustained growth, or it might merely be experiencing a dead-cat bounce on its way down, but neither of those were my concern in my previous posts, because the point I was getting at was that NuSpidey is provably performing below what it should be, relative to the rest of the market, which was the bar that you yourself had set for discussing its performance. |
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Post by jessebaker on Dec 17, 2008 13:00:40 GMT -8
Byrne stole the new issue of Amazing today and woe and behold, Harry's resurrection is revealed and makes semi-sense, so long as you assume that the Clone Saga never happened and that Norman only resurfaced in Spectacular Spider-Man #250.
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Post by K-Box on Dec 17, 2008 13:36:21 GMT -8
Byrne stole the new issue of Amazing today and woe and behold, Harry's resurrection is revealed and makes semi-sense, so long as you assume that the Clone Saga never happened and that Norman only resurfaced in Spectacular Spider-Man #250. Details? |
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Post by jessebaker on Dec 17, 2008 14:23:53 GMT -8
In a nutshell, Norman and Mysterio faked Harry's death in Spectacular Spidey #200, in part because Norman thought Harry's return to being Green Goblin was due to a drug relapse. He was then shipped off to rehab centers in Europe for years on end as Norman had his son "fixed".
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Post by K-Box on Dec 17, 2008 15:06:13 GMT -8
In a nutshell, Norman and Mysterio faked Harry's death in Spectacular Spidey #200, in part because Norman thought Harry's return to being Green Goblin was due to a drug relapse. He was then shipped off to rehab centers in Europe for years on end as Norman had his son "fixed". ... Which is pretty much completely irreconcilable with every single Norman Osborn appearance since then, since every single one of his appearances featured him being motivated, at least in part, by the genuine belief on his part that Harry was dead. We're now to the John-Byrne-retcons-Sandman level of contradicting characters' THOUGHT BALLOONS. And Jens, before you even say it, I've checked the other Internet fora, and read the reviews from both fans and detractors of NuSpidey, and Jesse is not exaggerating or misstating the truth of this issue's contents in any way. |
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Post by jessebaker on Dec 17, 2008 19:16:45 GMT -8
Given the fact that Brevoort and Quesada are on the record of retconning out MJ's pregnancy via One More Day, this could be another sign that they are now finally taking the even ballsier step of using OMD/BND to flush the clone saga down the toilet as far as removing all Spider-Man stories from 1994 up through 1997 (IIRC when Spectacular Spider-Man #250 was published) from canon.
Which combine with the fact that all Spidey stories from 1998-2001 are also iffy canonwise, as far as pretty much everyone and their mother sidestepping everything that happened from the Byrne reboot up through JMS's first issue, (plus the fact that OMD pretty much guts the entire JMS Spidey run too), we are looking at pretty much 14 years worth of Spider-Man stories pretty much erased from canon, going as far as back as everything after Amazing Spidey #388 no longer taking place.
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Post by K-Box on Dec 17, 2008 20:15:11 GMT -8
Given the fact that Brevoort and Quesada are on the record of retconning out MJ's pregnancy via One More Day, this could be another sign that they are now finally taking the even ballsier step of using OMD/BND to flush the clone saga down the toilet as far as removing all Spider-Man stories from 1994 up through 1997 (IIRC when Spectacular Spider-Man #250 was published) from canon. And yet, more than one member of the NuSpidey "brain trust," including Steve Wacker himself, has proactively gone out of their way, without any audience prompting, to say that they'd really like to tell more Ben Reilly stories, and Marvel already DID go out of its way to give Ben Reilly a major role in its Spider-Man/X-Men retrospective miniseries, which means that they're making an active effort to contradict continuity that they themselves are keeping alive. There really is no conceivable motivation for this, other than to force their own audience to engage in self-negating double-think - although, considering that the unquestioning acceptance of double-think is the perfect recipe for creating mindless sheeple, it makes sense that they'd do this. Which combine with the fact that all Spidey stories from 1998-2001 are also iffy canonwise, as far as pretty much everyone and their mother sidestepping everything that happened from the Byrne reboot up through JMS's first issue, (plus the fact that OMD pretty much guts the entire JMS Spidey run too), we are looking at pretty much 14 years worth of Spider-Man stories pretty much erased from canon, going as far as back as everything after Amazing Spidey #388 no longer taking place. Hell, once you undo Harry's death in such a fashion, then as you point out, you're basically negating every story since #200, which means that Marvel has restored a status quo that predates the BIRTHS of a majority of their readers. |
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Post by jensaltmann on Dec 18, 2008 0:16:47 GMT -8
In a nutshell, Norman and Mysterio faked Harry's death in Spectacular Spidey #200, in part because Norman thought Harry's return to being Green Goblin was due to a drug relapse. He was then shipped off to rehab centers in Europe for years on end as Norman had his son "fixed". ... Which is pretty much completely irreconcilable with every single Norman Osborn appearance since then, since every single one of his appearances featured him being motivated, at least in part, by the genuine belief on his part that Harry was dead. We're now to the John-Byrne-retcons-Sandman level of contradicting characters' THOUGHT BALLOONS. And Jens, before you even say it, I've checked the other Internet fora, and read the reviews from both fans and detractors of NuSpidey, and Jesse is not exaggerating or misstating the truth of this issue's contents in any way. I wasn't going to say anything. Instead, I was going to torrent the issue and see for myself. This is, after all, easily verifiable. |
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Post by jensaltmann on Dec 19, 2008 7:17:57 GMT -8
Harry's return worked exactly as I predicted some time ago (on the old board). Actually, it worked exactly as I said back in the 1990s, when Norman came back.
Harry had used the Goblin serum. It made Norman immortal, and it made Harry immortal.
Mystery resolved in the most obvious way.
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