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Post by michaelpaciocco on Feb 21, 2011 20:47:49 GMT -8
No, the reason I'm not tackling this one first is twofold:
1) While I have some affection for Claremont and the early-post-Claremont-era of the franchise (say...right up until just after "Age of Apocalypse" my disdain for the modern incarnation (and yes, I include Morrison. Bring it!) is pretty well known. This is especially true of Wolverine, who has been dumbed down from the heights I remember him to pure killing machine mode.
2) I really have a hard, hard time justifying which board member becomes which member of the franchise, because with about three exceptions (Beast, Colossus and Nightcrawler), the X-Men franchise is littered with some pretty morally compromised, if not outright mean and ugly characters. In fact, if I were to list the X-Men that I can tolerate (in their modern context) it would be those three and Cable. Yes, Cable, who despite his NINETIES EXTREEEEEEMMEEE, actually ended up having a better moral compass than Cyclops.
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Post by Anders on Feb 21, 2011 23:12:22 GMT -8
I was thinking of limiting myself to one of the classic lineups (okay, the ones I remember from when I started reading X-Men). Cyclops, pre-fur Beast, Marvel Girl, Iceman and... was Angel on that team? I don't remember. Or Cyclops, Colossus, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Storm, Marvel Girl, maaaybe let Kitty in there too, but I don't remember how soon she joined (or if I'd want to match her up to anyone here), and was there someone else on that team from the get-go? Man, my nerd-brain must be atrophying.
Er, I should get some breakfast and go to work now instead.
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Post by jensaltmann on Feb 22, 2011 0:09:42 GMT -8
It's also why I wouldn't want to tackle them: I haven't read X-Men since sometime around Uncanny #150. I have no idea who the people on the team are at any given moment, or how much they have changed from what I remember.
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Post by jensaltmann on Feb 22, 2011 2:01:53 GMT -8
No, the reason I'm not tackling this one first is twofold: 1) While I have some affection for Claremont and the early-post-Claremont-era of the franchise (say...right up until just after "Age of Apocalypse" my disdain for the modern incarnation (and yes, I include Morrison. Bring it!) is pretty well known. This is especially true of Wolverine, who has been dumbed down from the heights I remember him to pure killing machine mode. 2) I really have a hard, hard time justifying which board member becomes which member of the franchise, because with about three exceptions (Beast, Colossus and Nightcrawler), the X-Men franchise is littered with some pretty morally compromised, if not outright mean and ugly characters. In fact, if I were to list the X-Men that I can tolerate (in their modern context) it would be those three and Cable. Yes, Cable, who despite his NINETIES EXTREEEEEEMMEEE, actually ended up having a better moral compass than Cyclops. Actually, Point B would make matters interesting, by defining us not through our strengths but our flaws, with the strengths to balance. |
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Post by jensaltmann on Feb 22, 2011 3:12:07 GMT -8
OK, I'll give it a shot. Remember that the X-Men I reference are from the early 1980s.
Therefore I nominate:
Anders remains the Beast
Kirk is Deadpool: frequently crazy, but at least entertaining
Jesse is Wolverine: prone to fly into berserk rages at the slightest provocation, and when he does he'll slice indiscriminately into anything and anyone
Michael is Colossus. The solid, dependable one.
Johann is Storm, offering a somewhat different perspective
Paul is Nightcrawler. Troubled but usually upbeat and he doesn't lose faith
Jard is Juggernaut: once he gets going, you'd better not get in his way. (This is my edit: I had originally pegged him for Cyclops, but then I remembered that Jugs is an on/off member.)
I draw a blank for Joe and Mario. I suppose if I had paid more attention to the X-Men in the last 20 years, I'd find a match
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Post by jensaltmann on Feb 22, 2011 3:12:52 GMT -8
was Angel on that team? I don't remember. Yes, he was one of the originals. |
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Feb 22, 2011 6:32:16 GMT -8
Alright, I'll give this crack.
Agreed on:
Anders = Beast
Paul = Nightcrawler
Kirk = Wolverine. He's usually on the right side, but prone to going off on his own personal quests that the rest of us wouldn't agree on.
Jens = Banshee. A voice of experience, prone to bouts of self-doubt, but ultimately an upstanding moral heart who tries to lead by example.
Jesse = Deadpool. His nonsense occassionally works from a certain POV, but you can only tolerate him for so long before you just want to throttle him.
Jard = Cable. A man willing to stand up to anyone for his own principles, even if that means going head-to-head with the people who matter most to him.
Mario = Is actually the hardest one for me to pin down here. If we gone as we've generally done in the past with his role as the "Smart one", and with Beast taken, we're left with Forge. Unfortunately, Forge has the personality of a toaster, which does not describe Mario. However, as "The Quippy know-it-all", well, there's Bobby Drake/Iceman...but that does undercut Mario too. So Mario, you're left with one of two choices as I see it: Doug Ramsey/Cypher or....Kitty Pryde.
Johann = Madrox. Infrequently around, but that's only because he's off in so many other different directions at the same time.
Joe = Cyclops. The guy who knows what he's doing, even if everyone else is uncertain about it.
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Post by Mario Di Giacomo on Feb 22, 2011 6:49:44 GMT -8
Mario = Is actually the hardest one for me to pin down here. If we gone as we've generally done in the past with his role as the "Smart one", and with Beast taken, we're left with Forge. Unfortunately, Forge has the personality of a toaster, which does not describe Mario. However, as "The Quippy know-it-all", well, there's Bobby Drake/Iceman...but that does undercut Mario too. So Mario, you're left with one of two choices as I see it: Doug Ramsey/Cypher or....Kitty Pryde. This amuses me somewhat, your three choices (Bobby, Doug, Kitty) were known for being the youngest of their X-groups... and I'm one of the oldest regulars. (I think only Jens & Jard have me beat, and not by much). if I were going to pick for myself, I'd pick one of the newer characters (but older as well), Doctor Nemesis: scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/tag/char:+dr.+nemesis/james+bradleyThought about doing the KBox-Men myself, but all I got was Jesse for Deadpool.  |
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Feb 22, 2011 7:17:00 GMT -8
Mario = Is actually the hardest one for me to pin down here. If we gone as we've generally done in the past with his role as the "Smart one", and with Beast taken, we're left with Forge. Unfortunately, Forge has the personality of a toaster, which does not describe Mario. However, as "The Quippy know-it-all", well, there's Bobby Drake/Iceman...but that does undercut Mario too. So Mario, you're left with one of two choices as I see it: Doug Ramsey/Cypher or....Kitty Pryde. This amuses me somewhat, your three choices (Bobby, Doug, Kitty) were known for being the youngest of their X-groups... and I'm one of the oldest regulars. (I think only Jens & Jard have me beat, and not by much). if I were going to pick for myself, I'd pick one of the newer characters (but older as well), Doctor Nemesis: scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/tag/char:+dr.+nemesis/james+bradleyThought about doing the KBox-Men myself, but all I got was Jesse for Deadpool. Not familiar with the character, so sorry I can't help. Eh, give it a go anyway Mario - that's half the fun. |
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Post by Mario Di Giacomo on Feb 22, 2011 7:48:02 GMT -8
Oh, why not.
Kirk: I'll go with Wolverine. Often angry, sometimes clashes with others, and shows up all over the place.
Mike: Colossus works
Jesse: Deadpool, for reasons already mentioned.
I like Paul as Nightcrawler, especially the swashbucklier versions.
Jens: Oddly enough, Bishop. He has a very distinctive outlook due to his background, and sometimes can get a little snarly.
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Feb 22, 2011 7:53:00 GMT -8
Interesting as I don't see myself as being like Piotr much at all. I have neither his artistic ability, or his troubles expressing himself. And I certainly don't have his patience....
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Post by Mario Di Giacomo on Feb 22, 2011 7:57:24 GMT -8
Interesting as I don't see myself as being like Piotr much at all. I have neither his artistic ability, or his troubles expressing himself. And I certainly don't have his patience.... You make pretty good motivators. It's his dependability that brings him to mind. When this board has had its least amount of traffic, you always tried to keep things going. Like it or not, you're the heart of the Box. |
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Feb 22, 2011 9:19:20 GMT -8
You make pretty good motivators. I put semi-funny captions on existing artwork as commentary. Hardly art. More an expression of myself, not something Rasputin's known for doing particularly well. It's his dependability that brings him to mind. When this board has had its least amount of traffic, you always tried to keep things going. Trying to keep some semblance of forward motion and dragging you along probably puts me more on the Cable/Bishop axis of "I'm going to make this work if I have to beat the crap out of each and every one of you." Which might work as an allegory for post M-Day Cyclops (except, I can spell "Fidelity"), or maybe one of a half-dozen character who were trying to "keep Xavier's dream alive" after the team went through the Siege Perilous in Uncanny 251 - that would put me as Forge, Banshee, Moira Mactaggert, or Logan after rescuing Psylocke from the Mandarin. As for Colossus? Yeah, sorry, I just don't see myself as that guy. He's a bit too...quiet. Like it or not, you're the heart of the Box. I understand that's meant as a compliment, but it doesn't bode well for us, does it? |
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Post by Anders on Feb 22, 2011 10:47:34 GMT -8
Without thinking this through at all: Jens is Cyclops: Smart and usually levelheaded, but troubled. Kirk is Wolverine: He'll fight fiercely for what he believes in, but his temper sometimes gets the best of him. Paul is Nightcrawler: Life has put him through the wringer but he still has faith and a positive outlook. Jard is Juggernaut: As noted above - not particularly subtle, but he won't stop for anything once he gets going. Jesse is Deadpool: Nobody quite gets him and he can be annoying, but he's frequently entertaining and sometimes sees things the rest of us miss... whether they're there or not is another question. That's all I've got. Oh, and considering the amount of body hair I'm sporting, Beast is a better match than you'd have guessed.  |
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Post by Mario Di Giacomo on Feb 22, 2011 11:47:53 GMT -8
Oh, and considering the amount of body hair I'm sporting, Beast is a better match than you'd have guessed. I'm half-Sicilian... I bet I can beat you.  |
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