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Post by michaelpaciocco on Jul 18, 2009 20:25:53 GMT -8
You know what's sad? That we'll probably never see a Jack Kirby Biopic from a major Hollywood studio. On paper, it should be a great movie - guy coming up from humble beginnings, going to World War Two, making a career, fighting against the man. It should happen, but it won't.
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Post by jensaltmann on Jul 19, 2009 2:41:51 GMT -8
A Will Eisner biopic is more likely, methinks.
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Post by jkcarrier on Jul 19, 2009 7:10:58 GMT -8
A Will Eisner biopic is more likely, methinks. I don't know that Eisner's life story would be all that interesting (to a mass audience, anyway). Eisner, with smarts and a bit of luck, was pretty much in total control of his career every step of the way. Where's the drama? What's the hook? "Remember that Spirit movie that everyone hated? Here's the guy who wrote the book it was based on." Maybe if they add an epilogue where Eisner rises out of the grave and beats Frank Miller to death with a t-square...  Kirby, on the other hand, created a bunch of characters that lots of people have heard of (and were made into successful movies), and is the classic underdog -- constant battles with publishers, never got the credit or money he deserved, etc. etc. Lots of drama there, and a great "villain" in the form of Stan Lee. Tailor-made for Hollywood, I would think. |
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Post by jensaltmann on Jul 19, 2009 7:27:07 GMT -8
A Will Eisner biopic is more likely, methinks. I don't know that Eisner's life story would be all that interesting (to a mass audience, anyway). Eisner, with smarts and a bit of luck, was pretty much in total control of his career every step of the way. Where's the drama? What's the hook? [...] Tailor-made for Hollywood, I would think. On the other hand, the Eisner bio has already been written and published, by himself even, and just needs to be filmed. |
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Jul 20, 2009 7:24:58 GMT -8
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Jul 20, 2009 18:36:23 GMT -8
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Post by paulpogue on Jul 20, 2009 20:12:08 GMT -8
Planetary 27?
I DIVIDED BY ZERO OH SHIIIII ---
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Post by jarddavis on Jul 21, 2009 14:39:57 GMT -8
Isn't that the one about the three castaways on the deserted island who discover a white polar bear and the giant robots and....
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Post by paulpogue on Jul 21, 2009 20:30:15 GMT -8
Randomness: Funny what creeps me out sometimes. I can read horror novels and sleep peacefully at night, but images like the one linked below are grade A++ nightmare fuel for me. This pic has been making the rounds a bit lately, with nobody quite sure of its origins. Some commentators thought it was an early test pic for "A.I.", back during the misty, semi-legendary time when Kubrick may or may not have actually been filming the thing for ten years with Joseph Mazzello. Most people have pretty well dismissed this pic as a Photoshop job by now, but there's no denying that it has a creepy power. It's like a robot came up behind me and kicked my ass INTO the Uncanny Valley. www.rad-dudes.com/?p=189 |
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Post by jessebaker on Jul 21, 2009 20:34:28 GMT -8
I recently reread the series (having picked up the series minus the upcoming final issue on Ebay) and really, I have to think that Planetary should qualify as a textbook case of great premise, shitty execution.
In a way, Ellis should have never of given the book a major overall arc with the Four and the "Fourth Man" mystery, especially given how anti-climatic the "Fourth Man" reveal was. It would have worked MUCH MUCH better as a pure anthology book, with the main trio exploring mysteries and serving as a nostalgia window for Ellis to explore various concepts and shit. And given the way Ellis pretty much lost interest in the book, having it be nothing but one-off stuff would have made things easier for Ellis to write as far as ultimately cancelling the ongoing and relaunching the properties as one-off specials, graphic novels, and mini-serieses.
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Jul 22, 2009 7:59:05 GMT -8
See, I liked all the Four/Fourth Man saga - and it was a nice way of tying the premise together and giving it a sense of urgency.
Otherwise you just have Warren Ellis' X-Files, and well, fuck that.
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Post by paulpogue on Jul 22, 2009 9:10:52 GMT -8
I dunno -- Warren Ellis' X-Files wouldn't have been so bad. Consider the first five issues of Planetary, in which the Fourth Man is barely a blip and the Four haven't even been introduced yet. They're as good as the series gets, and they're all done-in-one tales of three mystery archaeologists investigating weird stuff.
Don't get me wrong -- I liked the Four stuff, but I found that even in the latter half of the series, the better parts were the ones where Ellis went back to the well of Reinventing Things You Didn't Know About Your Icons, such as the Lone Ranger one. It served as the origin of William Leather as well, but the Lone Ranger analogue worked perfectly well on his own as a story.
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Post by K-Box on Jul 22, 2009 10:06:20 GMT -8
Otherwise you just have Warren Ellis' X-Files, and well, fuck that. Except that we already GOT Warren Ellis' X-Files, because like Chris Carter's X-Files it started out with an excellent premise and some great stories, but gradually got bogged down by an increasingly narcissistic continuity that ultimately transformed the franchise from being about its original premise to being about all the backstory bullshit of its own incestuous "mythology." Both Planetary and The X-Files eventually stopped being about what they were ABOUT, and started being exclusively about THEMSELVES, and that's why they both became shit. |
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Jul 22, 2009 11:54:48 GMT -8
Otherwise you just have Warren Ellis' X-Files, and well, fuck that. Except that we already GOT Warren Ellis' X-Files, because like Chris Carter's X-Files it started out with an excellent premise and some great stories, but gradually got bogged down by an increasingly narcissistic continuity that ultimately transformed the franchise from being about its original premise to being about all the backstory bullshit of its own incestuous "mythology." Both Planetary and The X-Files eventually stopped being about what they were ABOUT, and started being exclusively about THEMSELVES, and that's why they both became shit. Actually...no. See, it would have been Warren Ellis' X-Files had they never ever, ever really resolved the 4th man and the Four. Publication delays aside, they did. And speaking for myself, the only reason I got back into comics was because of Planetary, because they planted this mystery and conspiracy, and then...by golly (again, delays aside) THEY DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Just my perspective. |
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Post by Anders on Jul 22, 2009 22:29:24 GMT -8
Monster-a-week (or trope-a-week) series only work for so long before they become repetitive. And in my opinion Ellis is much better when he's forced to stick to a storyline than when he's allowed to write about whatever has struck his fancy that week, particularly since while he always thinks he's on the bleeding edge of Teh New & Kool he's often way behind.
I'm much happier with Planetary as a story than as another Global Transmission.
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