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Post by K-Box on Sept 22, 2008 14:25:39 GMT -8
Yeah, I sent it to him this morning (about 6:30am, UK time), and he responded with "Thank you. That's insane." 40 minutes later. Now there's a familiar face. Good to see you here. I'm CSFB! on the SMB.
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Post by K-Box on Sept 22, 2008 0:48:28 GMT -8
Oh, and I e-mailed this to Rich Johnston of Lying in the Gutters. His response? "I'm already running it as Quote Of The Week!"
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Post by K-Box on Sept 21, 2008 23:07:45 GMT -8
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Post by K-Box on Sept 21, 2008 22:34:29 GMT -8
More to the point, how is it possible for paid writers - professional communicators - to consistently manage to say precisely the worst thing, every single time?
I mean, it's one thing to defend a patently stupid status quo, but you almost have to be trying to fuck up, if you somehow manage to engage in queer-bashing in the process.
I mean, that's like starting out by trying to defend Chuck Austen's shitty storytelling, and then, somehow managing to issue a Holocaust denial by the time you're done.
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Post by K-Box on Sept 21, 2008 20:30:19 GMT -8
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Post by K-Box on Sept 21, 2008 20:26:08 GMT -8
Think I'm going overboard? Not if you employ the exact same type of logic that Amazing Spider-Man writer Marc Guggenheim recently used to denounce critics of "One More Day." __________COMICON.com: GUGGENHEIM'S AMAZING SECRETS OF SPIDER-MANSpeaking of "judging" Guggenheim said a lot of people who aren't reading Spider-Man or refuse to read Spider-Man are judging it based on misunderstandings. "Part of the problem with the controversy behind One More Day is the understanding of what was retconned overstates the extent of what was done," he said. "Everything that happened in the last twenty plus years of comic book history happened! The only difference is that Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson weren't married. They still dated. They still lived together. They still love each other. They just weren't married. Judging from the letters and death threats we received, I think some people were confused. It all still happened." "Here's my attitude, if anyone is upset about the marriage going away, then they must all be pro-gay marriage," he continued. "Because if you're pro-gay marriage, you understand the distinction between a marriage and a civil union -- that a civil union is not equal to a marriage. We downgraded Mary Jane and Peter to a civil union. If that bothers you, then you're pro-gay marriage."__________Here's the reaction thread on scans_daily. Dear Marc Guggenheim, I am upset about the marriage going away. And I am also pro-gay marriage. You, on the other hand, are a homophobic sack of shit. However much hyperbolic invective I might vent, I rarely mean it when I say that I wish some writers would die, and I never mean it when all they've done is write some stories that I didn't like. I'm saying that so that I can say this: For what you've said, I sincerely hope you die. It was so inexcusably wrong that you've managed to look bad even by the standards of homophobic assholes.For that reason, I say that you have literally failed at failing, without it being a double-negative. __________I'll link to this in the OMD/BND thread, but it was so OMG WTF that it surely deserved a thread all its own.
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Post by K-Box on Sept 20, 2008 0:30:50 GMT -8
... And the TV and movie quotes that most suit them. **Okay, so I had to cheat on one of the quotes, but all the rest do come from TV shows and movies. Photos originally posted by rajmahall on ontd_political. Guess the sources correctly, and you might even win a prize! ****Except that you won't. Anderson Cooper:"I don't want to sell anything, buy anything or process anything as a career. I don't want to sell anything bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or process anything sold, bought or processed, or repair anything sold, bought or processed ... you know, as a career, I don't want to do that." Ann Coulter:"You were nothing before you met me. You were playing Barbies with Betty Finn. You were a Bluebird. You were a Brownie. You were a Girl Scout Cookie." Bill O'Reilly:"I'm a man, who discovered the wheel, and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of man I am. You're just a woman, with a small brain. With a brain a third the size of us. It's science." Chris Matthews:"Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests ... we did. But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few sick, twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America! Gentlemen!" Keith Olbermann:"Don't cross the streams." "Why?" "It would be bad." "I'm a little fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing, Egon. What do you mean, 'bad'?" "Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously, and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light." Lou Dobbs:"Well, in many ways, the Big Boy never left, sir. He's always offered the same high quality meals at competitive prices -" Rachel Maddow:"What is straight? A line can be straight, or a street, but the human heart, oh, no, it's curved like a road through mountains." Rush Limbaugh:" Ron Jeremy: The Hardest (Working) Man in Showbiz" Wolf Blitzer:"I already know - because I KNOW EVERYTHING, BECAUSE I'M MENTOK THE MIND-TAKER - that you're not doing anything tonight, but ... are you doing anything tonight?"
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Post by K-Box on Sept 19, 2008 12:55:25 GMT -8
Hey, just saw the message about the move and can I get invited as well to the pants party? You're in.
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Post by K-Box on Sept 19, 2008 9:22:24 GMT -8
Considering those pages you posted on LJ, about Norman injecting Gargan with a kind-of Venom venom to restore Venom to Gargan, it's entirely plausible that Gargan remains Venom. Or will turn back to being Venom after that Spidey arc. Oh, I'll absolutely agree, which is why I say, either Jesse or I could be right. More importantly, Jesse is ultimately right on the much bigger issue, which is his implicit assertion that anything significant that happens in this arc will get undone. After all, if my earlier theory is right, and Eddie Brock gets turned back into "I want to eat your BRAINS!" Venom, then it pretty much undoes everything that Slott has done with the character. If Jesse's reading is right, then it renders the "Spider-Gasm" moment of "Brand New Scorpion" even more pointless than it already was. Either way, Jesse is still right, because it's proven that NuSpidey is now so divorced from its own past that it's engaging in retcons and reversals within a status quo that's already based on nothing but the same. Then again, I shouldn't be surprised, because Bendis is writing Ultimate Origins, which irreconcilably contradicts every single thing that's ever been established about Peter Parker's family in Ultimate Spider-man, ALL OF WHICH BENDIS HIMSELF WROTE.
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Post by K-Box on Sept 18, 2008 22:15:22 GMT -8
Interesting.
Of course, this doesn't prove that Mac Gargan is still Venom, only that Venom is still on the Thunderbolts.
On the other hand, the alternative is even worse, because in order for Venom to be "psychotic and bloodthirsty," and not be Mac Gargan, it means that all of the character development that Eddie Brock is undergoing - which is the only good part of NWTD - will be completely undone by the end of the arc.
So, six of one, half a dozen of the other.
You're not proven right, but neither am I, and either way, the prognosis does not look good.
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Post by K-Box on Sept 18, 2008 22:05:59 GMT -8
Running tally: Which prominent Republicans have crossed party lines to endorse Obama? In order of appearance: Anyone want to start a betting pool on if and when Colin Powell will join them?
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Post by K-Box on Sept 18, 2008 21:03:00 GMT -8
BTW this whole thing shouldn't even stand past the last issue of BNWTD, since Andy Diggle of "The Losers" fame is taking over as writer of Thunderbolts after Secret Invasion and the solicitations have stated that Mac is still going to be Venom..... Not that I don't trust you, but ... well, okay, yeah, I don't trust you, since your readings can often veer from how others interpret them. Quote the solicitation copy here, and if you're right, I'll apologize. And if you're right, then Jesus Christ, what the fuck was the point of this whole exercise, aside from "Anti-Venom," since it answered no lingering questions and did nothing for the characters' post-OMD relationships?
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Post by K-Box on Sept 18, 2008 14:54:38 GMT -8
Could you link to the specific thread, please? I can't find anything about it over there.
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Post by K-Box on Sept 18, 2008 14:50:06 GMT -8
Amazing Spider-Man writer Dan Slott went on the record stating that the ending of issue #572 would be "just such a fricking cool Spider-Man moment" that "if you’re a Spider-Man fan you’ll experience a ‘Spider-Gasm.’" Fortunately, cyberghostface was good enough to post scans of the "fricking cool Spider-Man moment" in question on scans_daily, so that we could all judge for ourselves, without having to pay any amount of money for it whatsoever. HERE COMES THE MONEY SHOT!!!... Wait, that's IT??? Even in spite of my hatred of all things "NuSpidey," I was expecting SOMETHING more than this. I mean, seriously ... there HAS to be more to it than THIS. I don't even LIKE Slott's writing anymore, and I STILL can't believe that this was the "SPIDER-GASM" moment that he thought would knock our socks off. Even Slott at his WORST can't think that this was going to shock or thrill us THAT much ... could he?
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Post by K-Box on Sept 18, 2008 14:44:52 GMT -8
Sales aren't in for most it (...) Okay, this is a fair point. (...) and the critical reaction I've seen has been fairly negative. Really? Because all the critical reactions I've seen have mirrored your own - ie. that this marks the creative high point of the "NuSpidey" era, which is itself precisely the problem to which I was referring. The most critically succesful arc so far is the one illustrated by Marcos Martin' everyone but you loved his take on Spidey and plenty of folks seemed intrigued by MJ's appearence. It's pretty low bar though. Granted, MJ's appearance caused some interest, and Paper Doll was the closest thing we've seen to a decent new villain so far (aside from Mr. Negative, who has become a lot better than his debut appearance suggested he'd be). But still, I'd argue that NWTD has garnered a LOT more positive attention than that arc, much as it pains me to admit ... although, as you say, it's still a relatively low bar to surpass.
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