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Post by paulpogue on Oct 23, 2009 18:04:11 GMT -8
Invincible Iron Man #19: Those last two pages. Boo-fucking-yeah.
Dark Avengers #10: More of a boo-yeah rather than a boo-fucking-yeah, but very interesting and kind of fun.
Mighty Avengers #30: The naysayers are hating this one, and Pym's new title is 50 percent nifty and 50 percent horrific, but dammit, I'm just loving a book where the heroes are acting like heroes again.
Amazing Spider-Man 609: Haven't actually picked this one up for a while, but the Kaine story in Web intrigued me enough to give it a shot. Blame Tom DeFalco for my actually giving a shit about the man called Kaine. Kaine stuff: good. EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE DAMN BOOK: awful. Has it really been this godawful all along?
Anyway, we're running headlong into the post-Avengers-Disassembled endgame, and while I know it's all going to fizzle in the end, I can't help but get that old thrill at seeing the Avengers get their shit together and remember who Earth's Mightiest Fucking Heroes are. Hell, even Tony Stark gets a bit of a reprieve based on the brilliance of his last gambit against Osborn. (Not the fight, the other thing. The thing on the Helicarrier. The one that makes it clear that even Comics' Greatest Villain 2006 still knows a thing or two about heroism and outthinking the bad guys.) Hell, I'm starting to get a tiny twinge in the back of my mind that says the eventual reassembling of the Avengers will even have Thor, Cap and Iron Man on speaking terms and have it not completely appear to suck.
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Post by jessebaker on Oct 23, 2009 19:19:09 GMT -8
They still need to pull the trigger on full-on mindwiping Tony Stark though to make any sort of reconciliation work. On the other hand though, I REALLY REALLY want Thor to tell the other heroes "fuck it" and pull the plug on Tony.
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Post by paulpogue on Oct 24, 2009 6:46:33 GMT -8
It's starting to look to me like that may actually be in the cards -- whatever backup source Tony restores his currently empty mind from could well be from a pre-Civil War standpoint.
And if not, it's not like it would be the first time everyone agreed to politely ignore an entire several-year period of a character's history -- or the entire universe, for that matter. (Does the mid-1990s -- say, everything from Fatal Attractions through Heroes Return -- ever get referenced at ALL except for Spidey making the occasional joke about not liking clones?)
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Oct 24, 2009 11:14:00 GMT -8
See also the last time Tony was a jackhole (aka The Crossing)
And yes, looks like we'll be looking at Tony 2.0 - whether it's the verson from the Adam Warren mini or just an "earlier" version of Stark remains to be seen.
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Post by jarddavis on Oct 29, 2009 11:41:31 GMT -8
Just been going through some of the CBR posts on what's currently going on in the MU. Mildly amused by the whole FrankenCastle concept. If only because he'd finally be an interesting character.
That said...
I swear to God if I were to take over the position of Joey Q at the moment, I'd have Galactus come along, Eat the Earth, Kill everyone in the MU, and then explode and become the new Marvel Universe. Day 1. The whole Byrne Last Galactus Story reboot.
There is no way to fix what has occured. No. Sorry. There just isn't.
Not that this apparently stopping them. Cap's back. Wow. We killed him and we brought him back. Big surprise. Look... aren't we clever? Look. Spider-Clones! Cause that's always worked so frigging well before.... Look. Starks being a dick again. Never done that before. Look. Stark's been crippled again... never done that before.... All we need right now is foil enhanced embossed covers,and it's the 90's all over again.
Nope. Total extermination. Wipe out everyone and everything.... Start over.
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Post by jessebaker on Oct 29, 2009 12:26:16 GMT -8
I'd go one further: Thanos shows up, with the Celestials to judge Earth and they nuke it. Relaunch the entire Marvel Universe, new #1s with the properties already up and running as such:
Avengers: A PROPER Avengers team with the classic line-up.
Iron Man
Captain America (set during the later Gruenwald era with Diamondback as Cap's GF and Sharon Carter and Bucky dead)
Thor
Fantastic Four
Amazing Spider-Man (set with Peter and MJ as newly wedded and out of college)
Hulk (rebooted to the pre-death of Betty status)
X-Men (the one of the few properties that remotely retains it's pre-reboot status quo)
X-Factor (the proper PAD era team, written by someone OTHER than PAD)
New Mutants (as is but with Wolfsbane and Warpath)
X-Men Legacy (as is)
Defenders: AKA where Brian Michael Bendis will be exiled to with his pet characters. A roster of Luke Cage, Spider-Woman, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones, Doctor Strange, Silver Surfer, Wolverine, and Namor
Tales to Astonish (home to Nova, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Inhumans, who's current status would be carried over in the reboot)
Tales of Suspense (home to a reboot Daredevil, Punisher, and Moon Knight)
Marvel Comics Presents (X-23, OG rebooted New Warriors, and the new characters from Avengers Initiative, recast as an oddball team led by a reformed Taskmaster that's called "Force Works")
Strange Tales (Deadpool, Agents of ATLAS, and Cable)
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Oct 29, 2009 13:38:46 GMT -8
And now, a reaction to the latest issue of Guardians of the Galaxy...
FUCK.
That is all.
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Post by paulpogue on Oct 29, 2009 16:01:43 GMT -8
And now, a reaction to the latest issue of Guardians of the Galaxy... FUCK. That is all. Oh ...FUCK ... indeed. |
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Oct 29, 2009 16:20:41 GMT -8
Yeah...still processing...DnA better be giving some interviews pronto about the fallout here....
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Post by Mario Di Giacomo on Oct 29, 2009 16:41:59 GMT -8
If I was a betting man (I'm not) I'd say the book is being retooled, and they are wrapping up as many danglers as they can.
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Post by paulpogue on Oct 29, 2009 17:45:01 GMT -8
Just been going through some of the CBR posts on what's currently going on in the MU. Mildly amused by the whole FrankenCastle concept. If only because he'd finally be an interesting character. That said... I swear to God if I were to take over the position of Joey Q at the moment, I'd have Galactus come along, Eat the Earth, Kill everyone in the MU, and then explode and become the new Marvel Universe. Day 1. The whole Byrne Last Galactus Story reboot. There is no way to fix what has occured. No. Sorry. There just isn't. Not that this apparently stopping them. Cap's back. Wow. We killed him and we brought him back. Big surprise. Look... aren't we clever? Look. Spider-Clones! Cause that's always worked so frigging well before.... Look. Starks being a dick again. Never done that before. Look. Stark's been crippled again... never done that before.... All we need right now is foil enhanced embossed covers,and it's the 90's all over again. Nope. Total extermination. Wipe out everyone and everything.... Start over. Problem is, that's never going to happen in the Marvel U. (They had their clean-slate chance with the Ultimate U., and look how THAT turned out.) But I console myself by knowing that all things are cyclical. In comics, 99 percent of everything doesn't stick. Yeah, it's the 1990s all over again, but consider how so much of it turned out: -- Captain America? Dead. Twice. -- Iron Man? Tried to kill most of the Avengers as a pawn of Kang, then died and replaced by a teenager from another universe. -- Vision? So completely disliked by John Byrne that Byrne and several creators after him went to great lengths to break him so completely that he couldn't be brought back again. -- Avengers? Fantastic Four? Dead. All of 'em. And handed off to Rob Liefeld and Jeph Loeb for revival. -- DC example: Hal Jordan. More completely, intentionally and decisively destroyed as a character than perhaps any other major character in the history of modern comics. There's been plenty of characters who were broken, sometimes for long periods of time, by poorly thought-out storytelling, but Hal was disassembled by creators who actively hated him and wanted to make him permanently radioactive, to the point that their new pet character would occasionally TURN TO THE READER and say "Screw off, Hal ain't coming back ever ever EVER, live with it." -- Spider-Man? Even if you put ASIDE the Spider-Clone mess just as poor storytelling, Peter Parker was turned into a wife-beater, revealed to be a carbon copy, depowered, became a father, and packed off into the sunset to disappear forever. -- The X-Men? Don't even get me started. And that's just the state of the industry in 1996, all happening at ONCE. Then it hit its nadir, things turned around, and we got Busiek/Perez Avengers and Morrison's New X-Men, just for starters. Not to mention Sinestro Corps and Blackest Night. The ultimate solution to Civil War and One More Day -- even if it takes a few more years to turn around -- is going to be all the characters pretending it never happened. In a relatively short time (in comics terms), Captain America will yell "Avengers Assemble!" and Thor and Iron Man will show up and they'll go beat up on the bad guys and nobody's going to mention the time Tony made a murderous clone of Thor, threw all the heroes into Space Guantonamo, and got Captain America killed. No moreso than anyone gives Tony shit for the time he tried to kill everyone on Kang's behalf and the Wasp turned into an actual bug. At most, someone none of us have heard of at this exact moment will write an epic miniseries revealing that Mephisto, Miriam Sharpe and Victoria Hand were all Immortus all along just fucking with the heroes and mind-controlling folks just for the hell of it. All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again. |
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