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Post by liliaeth on Feb 15, 2009 12:52:08 GMT -8
We've all seen the damage that Joe Quesada has done to Spider-Man. The crap pretending to be Amazing Spider-Man since Brand New Day has started.
For the past year we’ve seen Marvel's vision of what according to them, Spider-Man should be. In ergo, a total worthless loser who's never accomplished anything, and will never ever accomplish anything of importance.
Someone who'll never be in more than short term relationships and is still hooked to his mother figure with no hope of ever growing up.
A middle aged manchild with no maturity, no sense of responsibility; and who is utterly unlikable, unreliable and unrelatable in every which way; and why? Because people like Joe Quesada, like Joe Slott can not find it in themselves to relate to a good, decent and heroic married man.
As such I've been thinking that regardless of everything else. We can do better
As a fandom, there are plenty of Spider-Man fans out there who've been reading Spidey for years, who have genuine love for the character and who are tired of the crap being forced on us by Marvel editorial.
As such I was hoping to find fellow fans willing to help me co-write a Spider-Man series, possibly if artists are willing to join in, with its own cover art. Plotlines and such same can be determined once we got writers to discuss plot ideas with.
The one thing I'm hoping for is to start this new series at the point where ASM lost it's soul, aka OMD. To write a Spider-Man who would NOT make a deal with the devil and then see how we can pull him out of the unmasking and the consequences of Civil War without wrecking his continuity or character development.
So anyone interested?
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Post by michaelpaciocco on Feb 15, 2009 15:36:00 GMT -8
Semi-interested. Not an artist though. Let me know how it goes.
Michael
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Post by K-Box on Feb 15, 2009 16:54:50 GMT -8
Liliaeth asked my permission to post this (which, you know, she didn't need to ask), and I'm endorsing it because I believe this qualifies as "doing something more than just bitching." If it comes together, at the very least, it can provide some people out there with the sort of entertainment that the comics themselves are failing to supply.
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Post by jensaltmann on Feb 16, 2009 2:43:09 GMT -8
Kirk is right, she needn't have asked him. He doesn't have anything to say here anyway.  Seriously, I'm not in, for obvious reasons, but I wish everyone who is good luck and would appreciate it if you used this thread to keep us updated about your progress. Kind of like a workblog. |
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Post by jarddavis on Feb 25, 2009 12:20:47 GMT -8
Why?
Seriously, why? And no I'm not trying to be negative. But...I realize this may come off as sounding negative, so, bear with me.
To paraphrase Warren Ellis: Fuck Spider-Man.
I agree with everything you say regarding the path of the Spider-Man comics. I agree with everything you say regarding Quesada and his editorial goons... but, well:
1.) You don't own Spider-Man so nothing you write/draw produce is going to matter anyway. It's not going to fix the continuity or the damage done by Marvel Editorial.
2.) If you're going to put that much time and energy into something you love, than why not put it in to something of your own creation? That way, if there are any rewards to be reaped, you reap them.
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Post by K-Box on Feb 25, 2009 12:53:02 GMT -8
She's free to answer for herself, of course, but I call bullshit on the idea that the goal of every fiction writer should be to become a professional fiction writer who writes about his or her own characters.
My grandma has painted for years. She's always looking for ways to improve her painting, and new things to paint, but she's never had any illusions that her paintings will ever be worth anything to anyone. And yet, she does it anyway, simply because the act of doing so gives her enjoyment.
I write non-fiction professionally, and in my personal life, I write both fan fiction and original fiction, and I wouldn't want to give up either one, because each one scratches a different itch. Original fiction lets me do things with my own characters that either wouldn't work with pre-established characters, or else wouldn't feel as meaningful or personal with other people's creations. At the same time, fan fiction lets me borrow other people's toys and take them out for a test drive, and in some cases, there is a catharsis that comes from "fixing" characters that you've invested care into, whether they "belong" to you or not.
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Post by jarddavis on Feb 25, 2009 22:18:36 GMT -8
And quite frankly I never got the whole fan fiction thing. Like I said, not trying to be negative, but speaking as a reader, I'd rather see someone post something new and their own, instead of trying to fix some unknown editorial injustice.
I understand what you mean, my daughter writes some pretty interesting stuff all based on anime and manga ( something I'm desperately trying to talk her out of), and I've known people who write entire novels based around SG-1 and whatnot.
But I still come back to the whole why waste the energy?
It's kind of like the new Star Trek movie. You know? Why reimagine it in something that has obviously failings simply from the commercials... Kirk as a young man, uhuru showing her bra, etc, etc....
Probably because my own stuff always goes back to being something I myself create. Because otherwise it feels like cheating.
Admittedly the one story I want to write for DC is Aquaman telling Hal Jordan he's a wanker and then citing specific examples of why Kyle's the better green lantern...
Although... now that I think about it and because I was perusing the FF Visionaries for Perez at the Library today...
It's simple. Spidey goes to the Marvel offices, which exist in the Marvel Universe... and beats the crap out of Bendis and Quesada for going against the contract and making up stories about him... kind of like Ben Grimm's visit to Byrne after the Goody Two Shoes battle in The Thing....
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Post by Anders on Feb 25, 2009 23:01:30 GMT -8
But I still come back to the whole why waste the energy? Because to those who do it it's not wasting energy, it's doing something they enjoy. That you don't appreciate it doesn't matter. Furthermore, I think you should be incredibly psyched that your daughter is writing, no matter what she writes (this side of porn, depending on her age), and you should consider that you trying to talk her out of writing what she likes could kill her desire to write at all. You should be fucking ecstatic that you have a daughter who enjoys writing and do everything you can to show that you support her but instead you're acting like the typical "what you're doing isn't good enough" father who wants his son to play baseball when he wants to dance ballet. Be a father, not a critic. |
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Post by jarddavis on Feb 26, 2009 18:15:18 GMT -8
Anders, fair warning? Don't ever go there in regards to my daughter.
That said, you betcha I'm pushing her to develop her own stuff. Why? Because she wants to draw and write her own comics for a living. And she's got talent as well. Her art has a long way to go, but she's got a better handle on graphic storytelling than most of the Rob Liefeld Image artist clones in the early days. Don't assume that trying to get her to stop writing and drawing other people's characters is an attempt to tell her what she's doing isn't good enough. She's autistic and tends to stick to what she's familiar with. An artist needs to experiment. A writer needs to write. I encourage her to do both.
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Post by Anders on Feb 26, 2009 22:55:10 GMT -8
Fair enough. I didn't know the whole story and I overreacted.
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