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Post by jensaltmann on May 17, 2010 0:11:02 GMT -8
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Post by jensaltmann on May 17, 2010 1:45:09 GMT -8
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Post by Anders on May 17, 2010 9:35:29 GMT -8
Fillion as Pym is not a choice I would have made, but I don't have a good feel for Ant-Man. So far I haven't seen Nathan Fillion do a bad job, so he could probably pull it off.
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Post by michaelpaciocco on May 18, 2010 7:14:52 GMT -8
OK, I'm going to say it - I am really really skeptical about Joss Whedon and the Avengers.
This movie is obstensibly the biggest and most difficult of the Marvel movies to pull off - you've got to have a lot of heavyweight actors (and egos) on the same page. You've got to make the cohesion of all these different movies and characters work together in a common goal and make it make some kind of sense for the guy who is just walking into the theatre for the first time (or maybe only knows from one or two of these movies and doesn't have the whole Marvel Movie database memorized).
It's a huge weight.
And frankly, I'm not sure Joss Whedon's the right guy.
Yes, he's good at dialogue - sort of. Personally, I find he has that "one voice" problem that is so annoying with writers like Millar, Bendis, and Ellis.
And he's reasonable with character - though he does have to stop cribbing entire arcs from Claremont.
But with plot? Look, no one watched Buffy for the plots. Even Angel (far and away the most plot-centric Whedon show I've seen), the strongest plot arcs (the first 3/4s of season 2) were very grounded in character.
And the biggest problem - yes Whedon is good at the long form of TV, but in movies? His track record is significantly less than stellar.
So I think this is going to be a very very interesting challenge for Whedon, Marvel, and everyone involved.
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Post by Anders on May 18, 2010 8:13:40 GMT -8
One thing that Whedon does do well is group dynamics, and the Avengers will need that. However, he'll need to check his ego at the door (and being kicked off Wonder Woman - that was what happened, right? I haven't read up on it - may help with that), look at the other movies and gently guide them into something cohesive.
Provided he can do that, there's still a big risk that it turns into "IRON MAN!!! (oh, and the Avengers too, I guess)" like what happened with Wolverine and the X-Men.
On a related note, has something like this been tried before? Making several separate (though linked through background material) movies and then a sequel that's supposed to stay true to all of them together? There's Aliens vs. Predator 1 & 2, I guess, though that wasn't planned from the start and the results are debatable. (For the record, I found the first formulaic and annoying and the second oddly entertaining.)
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Post by paulpogue on May 21, 2010 18:33:20 GMT -8
I get a strong feeling from IM2 that they're well aware of the "Avengers = Iron Man 3" problem, and plan to solve it by pushing Tony to the background as a financer/consultant and having Rhodey take the Iron Man role in the film. But so far all we have to go on is speculation.
As far as I know this have never been tried, and definitely not on anything remotely resembling this scale. Certainly not planned out well in advance, and even the "when titans collide!" bit as seen in Jason vs. Freddy and Aliens v. Predator was working with already-established film franchises.
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Post by jessebaker on May 21, 2010 23:49:44 GMT -8
Both of those however had problems: Freddy Vs Jason got rid of Kane Hodder as Jason, replacing him with a guy who, visually, made Jason seem like a 7 foot tall skinny weaking. Meanwhile the first AvP film was a complete failure; it took the second film to get a decent script/casting for it to work.
As for the Avengers; they need to work instead on bringing in the core secondary Avengers characters to the forefront: Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and Hank Pym. I'd jetison the Wasp, since there is too much baggage with Hank Pym to make her work (especially since Ant Man can do everything Wasp can, save for energy blasts) and Scarlet Witch works better as a character dynamic-wise.
In theory, you can do an Avengers film with Cap, Thor, Hawkeye, Ant Man, and Scarlet Witch with Hulk as the pawn of the bad guys and Iron Man limited to simply showing Tony Stark running the team. Maybe handwave out the Iron Man armor via having Tony get the shit kicked out of him in the opening credits of the film, destroying the Iron Man armor.
(And I would not cast Nate Fillon in a role as a character in an Avengers film. The only Whedon regulars I could justify him bringing onboard would be Allyson Hannigan as Scarlet Witch and Alan Tudyk as Hank Pym or Hawkeye. The only way I could see him being used is if they can't get Ed Norton back, at which point they could maybe have Fillon as Bruce Banner/Hulk.)
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Post by Mario Di Giacomo on May 22, 2010 4:34:16 GMT -8
I'd rather keep Wasp & ditch Hank, or at least reduce him to a supporting character. She's a more dynamic character, and has a mobility advantage. Plus, if you have her and Black Widow, neither seems like token females. (I'd have Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver be minions of the villain of the first film, and turn face at the end. Interestingly, Hawkeye started out as Widow's boyfriend... he could be a fellow SHIELD agent.)
That being said, I could see Hank & Jan as the Mr & Mrs Smih of the movie superhero set. Somewhat snarky with each other, but still in love. I'd do it just so I could get away with this scene.
(WASP walks into Avengers HQ sporting a mild shiner).
CAP: Jan! What happened?
WASP: Hank hit me...
(CUT TO: ANTMAN and WASP in a kickboxing ring working out. ANTMAN gets in a lucky shot, but WASP responds by knocking him out)
WASP: But he paid for it.
(WASP grins)
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Post by Mario Di Giacomo on May 22, 2010 4:36:08 GMT -8
Oh, and I could see Fillon as Wonder Man. He does "Hollywood snarky" very well.
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Post by paulpogue on May 22, 2010 8:59:33 GMT -8
I can totally see Fillion as Bruce Banner, come to think of it.
If we're going to have a Whedon regular as Scarlet Witch, though, I'd rather it be Felicia Day.
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Post by jarddavis on May 22, 2010 21:29:45 GMT -8
Morena Baccarin as Wanda.
Fan like of her aside, Studio would never go for Felicia Day as Wanda. Not "pretty" enough.
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Post by jarddavis on May 22, 2010 21:31:16 GMT -8
On second thought, Alexa Davalos.  |
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Post by K-Box on May 23, 2010 15:36:37 GMT -8
You all do realize that Marvel has already admitted that any character who falls under the "mutant" heading is under Fox's umbrella as far as film rights are concerned? Marvel spokesmen have specified that even DAZZLER belongs to Fox in the films, precisely because she's a mutant, so no, we're not going to see Wanda OR Pietro in an Avengers film. ETA: Especially since Wanda and Pietro were both namechecked in the first X-Men sequel. |
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Post by Mario Di Giacomo on May 24, 2010 14:53:16 GMT -8
Then again, so was Franklin Richards...
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Post by K-Box on May 24, 2010 18:44:24 GMT -8
Then again, so was Franklin Richards... Whom we never saw in the Fantastic Four movies. If they're mutants, they belong to Fox. |
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